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The Art of the Guild Application

I’ve seen many, many guild applications over the seven years I’ve played this game. Some great, some awful, most somewhere in-between. If you want to join a new guild, you need to impress them with your application. In most cases, your app is all the guild has to go on. You may be a fantastic player with a winning personality, but no one knows this yet, and if you don’t successfully convey it in your app, you’re not going to get a chance to prove it to anyone.

I’m going to do a step-by-step walkthrough of the application for Apotheosis, using my own application from almost 2 years ago. Of course, it’s a bit different than any other guild’s, but it’s not all that unique. Any semi-serious to serious guild that requires you fill out an application is going to be looking for similar things. They’ll also be turned off by similar things. Hopefully, this will help you ace your next application when you decide to apply to a new guild.

1) Character name: Jasyla
2) Character class and main spec you are applying as: Restoration Druid
3) Offspec (if applicable): Balance Druid

I hope no one needs help with these first three. One note on the offspec question though – you should really only list an offspec if it is something you are willing and capable of playing in a raid. A feral offspec that’s geared out in greens that you only use for dailies and don’t have any glyphs for is not really something to broadcast.

4) Armory link (please be logged out in your raiding gear and spec): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/eldrethalas/Jasyla/advanced

Many people who read your application are likely to click through to your armory and fully dissect every aspect of your character before they even read the rest of your app. You need to make a good first impression. As it says right in the app, make sure you’re logged out in your raiding spec and gear. It doesn’t matter if you’ve been doing dailies or PVP or naked dwarf tossing, you need to log in your most raid-ready attire for as long as your application is active. Your glyphs, gems, enchants and reforging should all be set up for raiding. Look at your own armory and make sure everything is as perfect as possible before you submit your application. Double check it to make sure you’re not wearing a fishing pole or chef’s hat. If the guild has a certain ilvl requirement, don’t use inappropriate gear to get ahead.

5) Age: 27
6) Do you have an authenticator associated with your account? If not, would you purchase one?
Yes, I have an Authenticator.

Again, I hope no one needs help with these kinds of questions.

7) Can you attend at least 75% of raids in a given month (9/12) for the full duration? We raid Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays from 9pm-midnight (ET) and you are expected to be online at 8:45-8:50pm for invites.
I can maintain 75% attendance but I would likely miss a couple Sunday raids per month.

Be upfront about this question. Though responding that you’ll never miss a raid may sound good, it could come back to bite you in your trial period if it’s not true.

8) Why did you choose to apply to Apotheosis?
From reading the blogs and twitter feeds of people in Apotheosis, I’ve gathered that it is an excellent guild to be a part of with great leadership. The progression level is ideal, and very close to my current raiding progression. I read in one of your recruitment ads that you’ve never had to cancel a raid due to lack of players – this makes me very happy. I also think it would be fun to be in a guild with so many other bloggers.

This question has the potential to show quite a bit about your personality and what’s important to you in game. There’s no real right answer here, but there are some things you should avoid. Answers like “I want heroic gear” can make people wonder about your motivations. Stick to stating what about the guild (the atmosphere? the people? the raid times?) appeals to you.

9) Why are you leaving your current guild?
I love my current guild and I’m quite sad to be leaving it. <aus> raids on weekend evenings which has become extremely hard for me. Having to choose between raiding and seeing my friends and family isn’t something I want to do anymore.

This is another question that can reveal a lot about your personality in-game and can help weed out potential drama llamas. Using this question as a platform to bash your previous guild is a poor choice.

10) Please detail all your previous raid experience. Yes, we mean all, dating back to pre-BC, if applicable. (Note that we mean raid experience when it was current, progression content. Firelands when you’re decked out in T13 does not count, for example, nor do “retro raids”.)
I have been a resto druid for my entire WoW career. I started playing near the end of Vanilla.
Vanilla – Completed ZG and a few bosses in MC and AQ20
Burning Crusade – Completed all Tier 4 – Tier 6 content. I was working on Felmyst in Sunwell Plateau when 3.0 came out.
Wrath – Naxx, Sarth 3D, Ulduar (most hard-modes – can’t remember exactly how many), TotC (3/5 heroic in 25s, 5/5 in 10s), ICC (10/12 heroic in 25s, 11/12 heroic in 10s), normal Halion.
Cata – 12/12 normal, 1/12 heroic in 25s.

I have also played as a hunter (during BC and Wrath post Ulduar), resto shaman (Naxx-Ulduar) and discipline priest (Cata) on another server. I still play on my disc priest who is 1/12H in 10s, but lacks an Al’Akir kill.

I led raids in T5 and T6 on my hunter.

In addition to listing which raid content you’ve completed, you should mention which character you did it on. If it was not the character you are applying on, you should include extra armory links. The most important thing is to be honest. People will be checking your achievements, including the dates they were achieved. You may think embellishing your experience will make you look better, but you’d be wrong. People will find out.

11) Please include a link to a World of Logs (or similar) parse of you in your raiding role and spec in a raid environment. Screenshots of Recount or Skada do not count. Here’s a link to help you create your own World of Logs parse if you don’t have one available. THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL.
Rather than link a parse of a raid that was all sunshine and roses, here’s my last raid, which was a learning night (aka wipe fest): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/q7l80tw1bwpwg3am/

If you’d like to see some more successful examples, I have lots of parses.

The response to (or rather, complete ignoring of) this question is the number 1 problem I see in applications. I’ve had to revise this question a number of times. When I applied to Apotheosis this question was actually surprisingly succint – “11) Please include a link to a World of Logs (or similar) parse of you in your raiding role and spec in a raid environment.” But a number of people would just completely ignore it. I’m not even talking about responding “I have no logs” or “I don’t know how,” many people would just skip right on past to question 12. I’m really not a fan of using all caps, but I wanted to impress upon potential apps that when we say we want logs, we really mean it! And it still hasn’t worked. /sigh

My advice here (both for your own benefit and the sanity of guild leaders everywhere): don’t submit an incomplete application. If you are asked for a log and don’t supply one, your application is not complete. I know some people are very eager to apply, but do yourself a favour and get a combat log parse first. Also, when your logging a raid, play like you mean it, even if you’re doing LFR. Use proper buffs, don’t stand in the fire, even if it doesn’t hurt much. Until you get a trial, this log is going to inform the guild of how good a player you are.

12) Do you have a stable internet connection, a computer that can handle the game and are you able to use/install mods required by the guild? Are you willing to speak on Mumble if necessary during raids?
Yes, yes, yes. And yes.
13) What things do you enjoy doing in game that are not raid related?
I’m an achievement whore. Arbitrary point systems make everything more fun.

These are easy ones.

14) How do you gain knowledge about playing your class or spec? Do you find reading blogs or websites useful to you as a player? Which ones do you find the most useful?
I read a lot of druid blogs and I write one of my own. I enjoy seeing other people’s thoughts on druids but I mainly like to figure things out for myself. The resource I get the most use out of is the TreeCalcs spreadsheet. For a new player I would recommend restodruid.info and Elitist Jerks.

We want to know where you get your information from. The biggest mistake you can make on this question is to not list any resources. It tells us you don’t put a lot of effort into being knowledgable about your class.

15) Please give us an overview of the reasons why you chose the talents, gems, enchants and glyphs that you did. Would you be willing to change any or all of these if it would benefit the raid?
My talents fit my play style. At my current gear level I’m not finding mana much of an issue so I have dropped the usual mana talents (Furor, 2 of the points from Moonglow) and have picked up talents to boost my output (like Genesis). I also have a couple talents some people would consider outside the norm – Living Seed (now that it has been unlinked from Efflo) and Nature’s Bounty. I use Regrowth a fair bit and the almost guaranteed crit and Living Seed result in a higher HPS increase than other talents available.

I mainly use only 3 different gems – 40 int, 20 int/spirit, and 20 int/haste. I have a compulsive need to match socket bonuses, but do avoid them in favour of +40 int gems if the bonuses are really crappy.

My Glyphs are quite standard. Druids do not have a lot of options. I occasionally change my glyphs, i.e. I replace Lifebloom with Regrowth for Chimaeron.
My enchants are also fairly standard. I could use a better bracer enchant, but I’ve been waiting for better bracers (though I’m now convinced that epic leather bracers are a myth).

I’m open to changing up anything if there is a good reason for it.

Aside from your armory link and the logs you provide, this is the question that tells the most about if you know what you’re doing. The worst answer to this question is “Because Elitist Jerks told me so.” That doesn’t tell us you know anything about playing your class. Use your experience to impress us. Explain any choices that go against the grain. Tell us why you think one talent is superior to another on fight x, but not fight y. My answer above is from last expansion, so the specifics no longer apply, but the important thing about it is that I elaborate on my choices so that people think I know what I’m doing. (haha, fooled them!)

16) What do you hope to accomplish with your time in Apotheosis?
I want to be a core part of the raiding team for a long time. I hope we can help each other to progress through Tier 11 and beyond.

This is basically an extension of the question asking why you want to join the guild. Try not to come off as a loot whore or a guild hopper. You should also ensure that your goals are aligned with the guild’s.

The last three questions on our application are personality questions. Just be honest. Sell yourself! Tell people how awesome you are (without sounding like an egomaniac).

 And lastly, some general tips, some of which I’ve talked about before:

  1. Use spellcheck. Use capitilization and punctuation too.
  2. In the interest of readability, format your app so it’s easy to to tell where the question ends and your answer begins.
  3. Don’t pepper your app with random ‘lol’s and other nonsense.

I hope this helps you the next time you want to apply to a new guild. And now that I’ve walked you through Apotheosis’s application, why not come apply? We’re 16/16 in normals and 1/16 in heroics and are seeking dps. We are Alliance and raid Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays from 9pm to midnight (EST).

Guild Applications

I’ve been reading a lot of guild applications for my Horde guild recently. Our recruitment officer (who is also the GM) is excellent at networking and finding possible recruits so we get quite a lot of applications. I read them all so that I can give some feedback and get a good laugh out of the bad ones. The guild application is quite simple. People aren’t asked to tell stories or jokes or even say why they want to be in the guild. They aren’t asked to defend their gem choices or show they have any theory crafting knowledge. Most of the questions are focused on past raid experience and basic knowledge about class and gear. Despite the simplicity of this, a lot of people manage to completely butcher it.

Here are a few tips for creating an application that won’t make you look like an idiot.

1. Use full sentences, complete with capitalization, punctuation and proper spelling.

Q: What are things that you have liked and disliked about your previous Warcraft guild experiences?
A: the none organization, and not raiding when sceduled

Fail!

I understand that literacy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but word processing software makes it very easy to fake it. Write your application in Word (or whatever program you have) so you can do a spelling and grammar check when you’re done. Then copy your answers onto the application. Congratulations, you now appear to have more than a fourth grade education.

2. Read the questions carefully and answer them fully.

Q: What 2 pieces of gear do you need to upgrade most, and which pieces do you want to upgrade to?
A: Ranged weapon and boots

Incomplete!

I’ve seen so many apps that do not answer the questions, or only answer part of them. When we throw in the ultra tricky multi-part question you’re expected to answer everything. Don’t ignore part of the question.

3. Know your stuff.

Q: What is your general dps priority or rotation?
A: my rotation right now is FF, insect swarm, moon fire, pop tredents, then spam wrath

Wrong! (and what the hell is a tredent?)

If you don’t know what you’re doing and can’t even bother to google “moonkin dps rotation”, I don’t want you in my guild.

4. Make sure to include the name of the character you are using to apply to the guild at some point in the application.

I don’t care about the names of your 17 alts. Who is your main?

5. Don’t ever say ‘lol’ in an application.

If you say it multiple times, I’ll stop reading.

/end rant

Sigh. Are full sentences and answers to all the questions really that much to ask for?