The Problem with Patreon

I recently launched a Patreon specifically for my YouTube channel. I’m a huge fan of Patreon. I think that people making money for their work (even if talking about games is a hobby, it’s still a lot of work) is a good thing. I currently support a dozen creators who I particularly enjoy – video makers, podcasters, writers. For me, it’s a way to say thank you for providing me with hours of entertainment, keep up the good work.

Of course, not everyone feels this way. There’s a lot of backlash against Patreon, specifically (at least that I’ve noticed) in the gaming sphere. Some people consider it begging, some people think “well you’ve been doing this for free for this long, why ask for money now?” and some people, as far as I can tell, are just dicks who are offended at the very idea of people making money off a hobby. I’ve seen this come up in forums, on Twitter, on YouTube videos and in comments.

I had debated starting a Patreon for a while. I wanted to do it, but I was also aware of how it is perceived among some people and didn’t really want to deal with the extra negativity. Eventually, I decided to just go ahead with it (thanks in part due to the push provided by this excellent breakdown of the gender imbalance in games Patreon and its followup over on Go Make Me a Sandwich). I posted the link on Twitter once or twice, and people were really supportive and RT’d it a bunch. That was nice. I again hesitated about posting about it on my YouTube channel even though it’s specifically for my videos so that’s where an announcement should go.

On Saturday I posted a 2 minute video on announcing the Patreon along with some details about it. It was the first (and only) time I mentioned it on YouTube. This happened.

YouTube Subs

The first time I’ve ever lost more subs than I’ve gained in a day. I actually lost 17 subs the day I published the video (and gained 5 new ones), and 10 the following day.

I posted two videos within a couple hours of each other because I wanted to give people real content as opposed to just a Patreon ad for the day. Here’s how they were received.

Video dislikes

In 2 days my Patreon video is 1 dislike away from being my most disliked video ever (that’s honor still belongs to my Fallout 4 video from November – people are just as mad about Fallout no longer being a CRPG as they are about people making money on their videos).

And then there are comments like this.

Patreon comment

Also comments that bash other people’s crowdfunding efforts. Sigh.

Now, it’s not all bad, obviously. 11 people have supported me and many people have boosted it or wished me luck. Those people are awesome.

Still, the negative reception makes me wonder – what exactly is the problem? I really don’t understand the backlash for a service that is completely optional. It’s really no different than a Twitch streamer having a subscription button (except on Patreon you can choose the amount you want to give). I’m not really into the streaming scene, but is there as much pushback against the existence of Twitch subscriptions? How about people having a PayPal donation link on their sites?

People run their Patreons in many different ways. Some give exclusive content to patrons, some send out physical rewards or spend time on Skype with patrons at certain levels. Some treat Patreon more as a tip jar, where there are no different reward levels or ‘goals’. I have my preferences for certain practices over others. If someone runs their Patreon in a way I don’t like, then I just don’t support them. If I don’t think their content is worth any of my money, then I just don’t support them. If I find they spend more time promoting their Patreon then making content… getting the picture?

What is it about the idea of people giving their viewers the option of tossing them a few bucks that offends people so?

45 Minutes of Swamp Thing – Media Mavens episode 4

The latest episode of Media Mavens is out! This time we talked to Adam Koebel, co-designer of Dungeon World and full-time Twitch streamer about tabletop roleplaying.

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Guest Introduction 00:01:25

We introduce our guest, Adam Koebel and talk a little about what he does for a living.

What we’ve been doing 00:05:30

Pam – @jasyla_ , Cannot Be Tamed

  • Masterchef Australia, Edge of Tomorrow
  • Defender’s Quest, Crusader Kings 2, XCOM2, Stellaris
  • The Grownup by Gillian Flynn

Adam – @skinnyghost, adam-koebel.com, Twitch channel

  • Finishing Daredevil Season 2, Rewatching Hannibal
  • Re-read the first three volumes of WICKED + THE DIVINE, read WYTCHES v1, trying to finish the THREE BODY PROBLEM
  • Overwatch, Dark Souls 3
  • Ryuutama, Burning Wheel, Age of Rebellion, 5e D&D, Blades in the Dark
  • Attended PAX East

Riley – @kaleri_

  • Captain America: Civil War, Legend of Korra
  • Caught up with the new Thor
  • EGLX
  • Finally got to play Edge of the Empire!
  • Overwatch, HoTS
  • Extra Credits – Tracer pose analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmLkVtqjf1A

Tabletop Roleplaying Games 00:36:45

  • Discussion on the resurgence that TTRPGs seem to be having and why that might be.
  • What draws people to RPGs, why do people play?
  • Advice for newcomers, being creative!
  • When streaming RPGs for a large audience, do you change the way you DM/present the story?
  • Do you look to involve the audience? And have you had any really great (or terrible) suggestions?
  • Do the rules ever get in the way?
  • Making your tabletop worlds diverse.

Listener Questions 01:19:22

@grnmushroom: I’d love to know how to get into Tabletop RPGs with a smaller gaming group. Like 2-3 people.

@The_Doc_Webb: I’d love to hear some discussion of oddball tabletop RPGs. I’d humbly suggest HōL (Human Occupied Landfill), + which is handwritten, looks like a ’90s zine, and reads like a fever dream

If you’ve got any feedback, questions, people or topics you’d like to hear on future episodes of the show, you can reach out at MediaMavensCast@gmail.com or on Twitter @_MediaMavens.

Let the Flames Take Me – Media Mavens episode 3

The latest episode of Media Mavens is out! We talk to AppleCider about Firewatch, along with a lot of other things.

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Show notes:

Story/ending spoilers for Firewatch are concentrated around 53:15 – 1:00:30

Guest intro 00:00:37

We start with a brief introduction to our guest, Applecider. You can find her on Twitter @appleciderwitch or at her siteCiderAndLemonade.com.

What we’ve been doing 00:01:22

Applecider – @appleciderwitch

  • West Wing
  • Stardew Valley
  • Sailor Moon Drops

Pam – @jasyla_, YouTube

  • Creed
  • Hate Plus
  • The Walking Dead season 1 (Telltale)

Riley – @Kaleri_

  • Titan A.E.
  • Game of Thrones season 6 premiere
  • Edge of the Empire (Star Wars) tabletop
  • Diablo 3

Firewatch 00:36:25

  • General thoughts on the game
  • The effectiveness of the games opening
  • Playing as Henry
  • Ending thoughts
  • Delilah
  • Easter eggs and turtles

Listener Questions 1:19:20

  • Who is your dream guest? @CartridgeBros
  • I have yet to pick up a PS4. Aside from Firewatch, can you talk me through why I should now, or if I should wait? @mustyhobbit

If you’ve got any feedback, questions, people or topics you’d like to hear on future episodes of the show, you can reach out atMediaMavensCast@gmail.com or on Twitter @_MediaMavens.

Episode 2 of Media Mavens

Today we released episode 2 of Media Mavens – Let It Be a Zombie Baby.

We’re joined by Kahlief Adams of the Spawn on Me podcast and we talk about The Walking Dead.

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Show notes:

Spoilers for The Walking Dead season 6 start at 1:01:45

Guest intro 01:21

We start with a brief introduction to our guest, Kahlief Adams. You can find his podcast, Spawn on Me, on esn.fm or follow on Twitter@spawnonme.

What we’ve been doing 07:40

Riley – @Kaleri_

Kahlief – @kahjahkins

  • The Division
  • Enter the Gungeon
  • Paragon
  • PS4 Remote Play

Pam – @jasyla_, Cannot Be Tamed – YouTube & Blog

The Walking Dead 42:00

  • General thoughts on the series
  • Best and worst seasons and characters
  • Season 6 finale
  • More season 6 thoughts

If you’ve got any feedback, questions, people or topics you’d like to hear on future episodes of the show, you can reach out atMediaMavensCast@gmail.com or on Twitter @_MediaMavens.

Introducing… the Media Mavens podcast

It finally happened! After mulling it over and considering it for months, I’ve started a podcast with my good friend Riley!

Media Mavens logo

It’s a biweekly podcast about pop culture – video games, tv, movies, books. The plan is to have the first half of the podcast be a discussion of all the media we’ve been consuming recently, and then have the second half be a more in-depth discussion and analysis of a particular piece of media or media topic.

The first episode is just Riley and I, and it’s more about introductions than analysis, but in the future we plan to have guests on to talk with us.

You can find the podcast at https://mediamavens.simplecast.fm/ or on iTunes or Stitcher.

I hope you give it a listen!

Podcast Suggestions

I’ve added a number of new podcasts to my feed recently and just wanted to share some of them in case you’re looking for more good things to listen to:

Pop Culture Coven is a brand new podcast from Tzufit. I have to say, I’m missing Justice Points, so I’m really glad to hear Tzufit on a new podcast. Each episode features her talking to one guest about one character from media (games, movies, shows, books), and lasts only 20 minutes. There have been four episode so far and it’s great! A lot of editing goes into it, and it offers a highly polished, in-depth look at some great characters. I was a guest on the second episode, where we discussed Skyler White from Breaking Bad.

This Week in Ladies is a podcast I just started listening to, but it’s already a new favourite. Becca and Allison discuss things that ladies are interested in. So… everything. Though their comics segment goes over my head I really like their discussions on topics like sports movies with lady athletes (where they appreciate the best ever sports movie – A League of their Own) and Oscar winners.

Idle Weekend features Danielle and Rob having detailed discussions about video games, the game industry and what they’re currently watching and playing. Smart people saying smart things about video games.

 

 

Black Lodge Screening Room features Jessica (or Liore of Cat Context) and Max talking about horror movies. This monthly(ish) podcast talks about horror movies both new and old, analyzes new trailers and offer thoughts on both the good and the bad in scary movies.

The Read features Kid Fury and Crissle talking pop culture news and throwing shade. They also answer listeners’ relationship and life questions, and get mad about people who do dumb shit. It’s hilarious and cathartic.

 

Appropriating Project Management Culture

I’ve always loved project management. Planning, execution, control, these are all things I’m very passionate about. I remember when I was just a wee lass, sitting on my father’s knee, working on Gantt charts together. I’d plan out everything from the building of Lego structures to breaking down how I’d spend my time at the park each weekend. Such good memories.

As I grew up, my passion for project management only grew. I read the PM body of knowledge guide yearly, tracked down all the articles I could as the Internet became a source of information. I wasn’t just a fan of one particular methodology – waterfall, agile, process-based… I did them all. I took all the PM-related business courses, got all the certifications I could. Now I stand here, a proud, lifelong project manager, working among people just like myself.

But something’s been happening. Something terrible. Outsiders are infiltrating my field.

The other day I met a woman at a project management conference. I only had to glance at her to know that she was new to this, she didn’t grow up immersed in the culture like I did. When I asked she couldn’t even tell me the date the first project management software was released. Maybe she should spend less time perfecting her winged eye-liner and overall presentation and more time learning important facts like these. I walked away then, as she clearly had nothing of use to say and wasn’t worth my time.

The next week, after meticulously researching her background, finding her on professional networks and asking other project managers about her, my worst fears were confirmed. She was new to this. She didn’t go to school for project management – she had a psychology degree! She also had other interests – reading, cooking, rock climbing, video games. How she has the nerve to call herself a project manager when she spends so much time on other, less schedule-driven, pursuits is beyond me.

How did she get here? From talking to people who know her, it seems she had started at an inferior position, then because people “enjoyed working with her” and “found her to be very competent and organized” some people started calling her a PM. I can only assume these phrases are euphemisms. Yeah, she “communicates well,” I’m sure. Hmph.

The thought of this woman, this FAKER, calling herself a project manager was bad enough, but I soon found out it was even worse than I expected. Over the last couple years she had managed (if you can call it that) a number of projects, for which she received financial compensation. She was paid! She doesn’t love project management, she isn’t a fan, she’s doing this for money! My stomach churns at the thought of hapless corporations handing over their hard-earned money to this phony, being taken advantage of, dazzled by her smart business suits and exceptional cheekbones. I don’t care if the project stakeholders are satisfied, if people are choosing to work with this wretched woman. She’s no project manager, and I’m sick of people like her using this thing that I love for their own personal gain.

This can’t be allowed to stand. I’m going to tell the world.